Having a productive discussion around Race

And why everyone gets it wrong.

A commonly held belief in the Game community or really the entire “Manosphere” is that Asian and Indian men are screwed when it comes to race and every other race is alright. Even in the Chat that I help run, we stay away from topics like Race because in a lot of cases, Race discussions always boil down to emotional turmoil. One group is actively gatekeeping against the other by telling them how women of their race do not like men like them (“You can never get hot white girls as an Indian!”) and the other is just playing victim and using race to cover up serious flaws in their Game and SMV (“I can’t get hot white girls because I am Indian!”).

In reality, the reason I think Race discussions should be avoided in most cases is because you will rarely get the truth when you have them. There is too much emotion involved, one side being the ethnic guy that play victim and the other being usually White guys trying to play gate keeper and fix their pride. This is the root of how 95% of race discussions go on dating and Game Forums or really any male space out there and why they are unproductive.

However, here is the actual truth about Race.

When you are a minority, in some cases, your Race will severely limit you from having a lot of success with Game. However, it is never global or even the same for every city in a country. It also varies so much based on the minority you are and the area you grow up in. Literally no one in the Game or “Manosphere” community will ever admit this because this is the actual truth. Because a large part of racial and Game discussions online are also fueled by an agenda, these days that agenda tying into Indian hate and stopping Indian men from getting laid.

Where this actually becomes complicated is:

• The minority group involved

• The area and its culture

Let me give you a good example.

I grew up in the “Bible Belt”. For those that do not know, that is the entire American South including Texas. Where I grew up, it was quite taboo for a White girl or really any girl to date a Black guy. Sure, some Bible Belt cities do differ and in recent years, have changed. However, Black guys in the Bible Belt were not enjoying the high SMV they might enjoy in say a Stockholm or Los Angeles. If you were Black, a lot of women avoided you because of that unless you happened to be really high SMV like say a star athlete.

Meanwhile, an Asian or Indian guy did not have that sort of a setback. Because of this, it was not too unheard of for Asian and Indian men that assimilated into American Culture to date a hot White girl. In fact, a lot of minorities such as Arab and Middle Eastern men had a good deal of success in the Bible Belt. It would be fair for anyone objectively evaluating to say that in most cases, all else being equal, an Ethnic guy usually did better than a Black guy in this environment.

However, then I met a number of Indian guys that grew up in Toronto and realized that I might have been quite lucky with where I grew up. If you think being a Black dude trying to date interracially was tough in the South? Wait until you are an Indian guy in Ontario, Canada. Ho-Lee Mo-Lee! I did not think that the typical racist Youtube and IG comments would ever come to life but Toronto and most of Ontario in Canada is just that. While a Black guy can have average SMV and get hot White girls there, an Indian guy might not be able to pull it off even with high SMV because of the prejudice around.

Then I started talking to Arab guys who grew up in Western Europe, namely France. I never would have thought growing up that Arab men had any issues with women. After all, you have “Arab Money” and the “Arab Prince”, a lot can pass for Southern European too if they tried, so where would they struggle? Well, I heard a few grimacing stories of life as an Arab in France and realized that it is so bad that even Indian guys in Ontario better be grateful they aren’t an Arab in France.

This isn’t the struggle olympics though, this is to help you realize how much BS is out there about Race and Game.

This is the reality of the Game community and Pickup Community and has been for decades. You have shut-ins that do not go out or even talk to girls just spreading nonsense they want to be true, not the actual truth itself. Then this gets accepted across the internet and before you know it, everyone runs with the lie. Then that lie eventually becomes the truth because so many people have accepted it.

Race discussions are not as simple as “this race is screwed for getting laid”. Rather, they factually boil down to “if you are this guy in this city, you are kind of in a rough spot when it comes to Game”. Even deeper, it boils down to “if you are this kind of guy in this kind of city trying to get these kinds of girls (usually White since they care about race the most), then you might be screwed”.

And this is where race discussions become productive.

When we actually get down to the facts, race discussions become productive at this point over here because now we have the actual facts. We don’t have a bunch of Alt Right Incels who cope by putting down other races when they themselves look like naked mole rats. We don’t have a bunch of Low T Ethnics who couldn’t even get laid in an arranged marriage flooding up the page with their victimhood so everyone can feel sorry for them. We have facts.

So now you know what you are up against and the actual truth about Race. It isn’t that your Race is low value in a given country or city, it is that your Race may be a serious strike against you depending on where you are and it can change for every guy. Usually, the ones I know for a fact are true are:

• Black guys might face serious prejudice in the Bible Belt if they are trying to get hot White girls but depending on the city, this might not be as true (things have changed a lot in recent years in some places)

• Indian guys need to avoid Ontario and Vancouver like their lives depend on it

• Arab guys should probably not chase White girls in France, especially not Paris

Now that you know the truth, you can actually do something about it. For example:

• A Black guy in the US can move to an NYC or LA where he would have a higher SMV with local women

• An Indian guy might want to consider Montreal or other places in Canada where anti-Indian racism is not as bad

• Arab guys might want to consider Spain, England, or Eastern Europe instead of France

THAT is where race discussions become productive.

The old Roosh V Forum had something like this and a travel thread where men could tell other men of their race where to go to do well with Game and where to avoid. Since then, we have not had any other forums like that and race talks have just boiled down to pissed off Incels trying to spread a lie to the world that Asian and Indian men cannot get laid anywhere. It’s doing a lot of harm not only because it is hateful but because it is untrue.

A productive discussion on race would tell guys:

• What cities or places to avoid because of their race

• What cities or places men of their race can do well

• How to Game and operate in places where prejudice towards them is awful

And that is where your head needs to be too.

It doesn’t need to be around how to play victim around your race, that is what Incel forums are for. Those guys will cry and play victim all day as their twenties pass them by and before they know it, they are a loveless 40-yr old. You don’t need to spend your energy playing victim or feeling like you have to compensate for your race. Instead, you need to focus your energy on being efficient.

Maybe that means going to places where men of your race have it easier. Maybe it means adjusting how you do Game. Maybe it means being aware of the prejudice and being the exception. You have to be driven to actually drive results.

Because even in prejudiced areas, it can be.

I grew up in the Bible Belt and even as bad as it was there, I knew Black dudes in college who were cleaning up with hot White girls. Granted in some cases, these dudes had crazy high SMV (college athlete).

I have heard of Indian guys allegedly getting with good looking Anglo women in Toronto, apparently Justin Marc is said to accomplish this. I cannot confirm it with my own two eyes.

So even in those circumstances, it can be done.