The hard truth about nightgaming sober.
How most Pick Up guys look when doing it
In the game community, there is sort of a movement against things like drinking and other vices. As someone trying to get fit himself, I completely agree with this. While I will not quit alcohol cold-turkey, I do realize how bad it can be in damaging your health and your overall life goals. At the same time, nightgame gets pedestalized in the game community because it:
Offers more “leads”
Is “tougher” since more “competition
Allows you chances to approach often
Almost every PUA coach takes their clients out to bars and clubs at night to have them doing “sets”. A lot of guys in the game community also don’t drink while going out at night.
How most “normal” guys and “naturals” do nightgame.
Most normal guys and especially naturals have a certain approach to nightgame but I will focus on naturals. Naturals typically “pre-game” at either their place or a friend’s place with a crew. The “pre-game” involves alcohol and drinking. For naturals, the crew might actually have some hot girls in it that they are either seeing but not committing to or are friends with.
When these guys roll into a bar, they are already interacting with their crew and socially proofed. On top of that, the alcohol is helping them relax and be irrationally confident which you sort of need in nightgame. A lot of these guys that normally won’t cold approach are now bolder and socially proofed so they end up pulling a new girl, in some cases.
If you hang out with any guys that are dating hot girls or pulling hot girls and regularly going out at nights, you will notice that they drink. The ones who don’t drink normally don’t go out at night.
A lot of these guys are not going out to “game” or “sarge” when they hit the clubs and bars. For them, going out is a way of partying and having fun to some loud dumb music. Alcohol and in some cases, drugs, help with that. The guys and the girls are on alcohol and drugs when out.
That is part of the fun in going out at night. Alcohol and drugs put you in an altered state and lead to fun stories with friends. The vast majority of naturals and cool guys that pull do this.
In other words, they are not going out to get laid as much as they are because:
Some girl in their social circle called them out and they have nothing better to do
They want to drink and hang with the boys
They want to enjoy some sporting event or just be out on a Friday
Notice, NONE of these say “I am out to the bars to pull some chicks home”.
Now enter why most PUAs and most “game” guys go out.
PUAs and “game” guys go out to get laid and meet women. A lot of them are out trying to do “sets” and “sarge” so they can talk about how they “took action”. Many of them will go out solo or with a guy friend. A lot of them also don’t drink.
In other words, everything from the way they carry themselves to what they do is yelling “I am out for the sake of meeting women”. Subconsciously, they are putting p-ssy on the pedestal.
In most cases, there is no other reason for them to be out at night compared to normal cool guys that get laid.
Game and PUA guys do not watch sports, they don’t keep up with the popular music, and they do not have a social circle that would drag them out that they can interact with. Most of them are out to do one thing and that is to get laid. It comes off in the way they carry themselves and you can’t blame them. Women can smell the desperation to approach on them.
And the staff hate these guys.
It is worth mentioning that to most nightlife staff, these game guys are a nuisance. A lot of them are not spending money at the venue and are potentially making other clients (hot girls), who will spend money, uncomfortable. The bartenders realize that they will not get a tip or anything from these guys and bouncers have to worry about these guys potentially harassing girls.
Then look at it from the perspective of an owner. You are a guy who does not spend money or bring any hot girls to the venue, you are leeching value away from it. I have talked to enough nightlife staff over the years to realize that game guys have a horrible reputation amongst them.
How most PUAs and game guys actually come off when sober.
I have been on both sides of the fence, from the game guy who was spam approaching to the guy who went out to clubs and bars with a mixed set. In the latter, I noticed some PUA and game guys that would come up to girls we were out with. Immediately, we noticed that their energy was “off” and not up to par with the venue or the crowd.
PUA and Game naturally draw that kind of guy.
Analytical, overthinking things, neurotic, shy, anxious, and takes themselves way too seriously. You are putting that guy in a hectic environment with loud music and naturally, he is not going to do well from the get go. Alcohol actually helps that kind of guy relax and let loose.
Most Game guys when they do cold approaches at night sober are not coming off as smooth or suave, almost all of them are coming off as stiff.
And these guys do not even WANT to be out at night for anything other than women.
A lot of these guys, if they had it their way, would be staying inside browsing the internet or playing videogames. In my opinion, they are probably better off doing that anyways. When you add in that there is nothing else other than game bringing them out, nightlife becomes a chore.
“But I can GET IN STATE and stuff man!”
RSD and other game communities talk about getting into state. While I have nothing against RSD Tyler, he came off as quite neurotic and weird in his approaches. The guy was a great marketer but not the best at game. A lot of his “get in state” content revolved around talking to fat ugly chicks for hours so you can finally get the courage to talk to hot girls.
The issue is, that PUA and Game guy has nothing to draw from to be in that state.
He was never the party animal in his youth and he was never around the cool kids (bleh, I hate even using that phrase). For that guy, you are asking him to fabricate a situation in his head he has never been a part of. The mental gymnastics simply won’t work here, at least not in terms of anything substantial.
The typical night of a sober game guy.
The typical night for a sober game guy has him on the hunt and not even feeling the vibe in the venue as much. Most game guys cannot deal with the crappy pop and hip hop that plays on repeat at most venues. As a result, they are having to force being “in state” and having a good time but they come off as weird doing it. To most people, they are clowns.
Women already sense it in the way these guys are carrying themselves and how their energy is “off”. You cannot fake the looseness and “fun” factor that alcohol gives to a guy in a hectic environment.
Alcohol, when done in moderation, helps calm the nerves and takes otherwise serious guys and loosens them up a bit. It is part of why so many naturals just seem to be in rhythm when they go out.
When does gaming “sober” at night actually work.
There are a few situations where sober nightgame can work.
Street game.
I would tell all guys who are game guys to just focus on this. Do not go into the loud venues, just do street game. You are more likely to get lucky here and be less miserable.
Your SMV is sky high.
If you are jacked and a really good looking guy, then nightgame however you want. As with most situations, being good looking and high SMV will excuse a lot of mistakes.
You are genuinely into that scene.
If you can find a reason to be at a venue for anything other than women such as genuinely loving the music and jamming to it, then you can nightgame sober. If you can love the venue for what it offers whether it is the views or something of that sort, then nightgame sober all you like.
You actually have a legitimate reason to be there.
What this means is you either get dragged out by a social circle or you know a lot of the staff that work there as friends. In that case, you have every reason to be there. If your salsa class crashes there and you are in that group, perfectly legitimate reason to game sober.
All in all, alcohol helps more than hurting you here.
I have nightgamed sober and with plenty of game guys sober, they don’t get results. In my opinion, there is a fine line for drinking. No more than 4 drinks, ideally you cap it off at 2 drinks to where you catch a buzz. I recommend against drinking beers, instead, drink a vodka-soda or vodka-red bull.
Obviously, after 3 to 4 or so drinks, alcohol works against you.